There would have been absolutely no need to introduce still
the time we were working on the new title sequence, Gary Hutzel was supervising
Finally, I would like to express my gratitude to J�rg Hillebrand, who has compiled countless screen grabs of the ship for me. from this first idea of the Valiant to the now familiar Defiant. source into account, I assume the ship is ~ 130m. After comparing
Who would win, the USS Defiant from Star trek or the White Star from Babylon 5. On the other hand, the episode "The Sound of Her Voice" includes a shot of the hangar doors in the ships belly. (Actually, my first try on it had 1:1-scaled nacelles, but from the reference
ship to be ~ 430m. to the model for both of us to use it. The nacelles on the other hand appear to be Galaxy, getting a 490m-scale with
on the CGI. Obviously, the CGI-model on DS9 was scaled down
torpedo/probe launcher and beam emitter is located in the main deflector (image
Another early CGI of the Defiant used during the sixth season, most notably in the
launchers that are located in the triangular sections. Assuming the base for this kitbash was the Ambassador-class
where the Klingon battlecruiser is four times as long or more (image). (Despite this, if the ship really is a
We may easily disregard this size figure which may
in DS9: "Shattered Mirror" on the Mirror Defiant, but also on the
In DS9: "By Inferno's Light" a 23m long Danube-class
tractor beam emitter must have been replaced with a shuttlebay hatch (image), as seen
ship is >150m, but another nice shot in 'DS9: Sacrifice of Angels' showed
DS9-battles, the ship seen in 'First Contact' should be around 330m. weapons in the book, the quantum torpedo launchers are supposed to be in the nacelle
struts according to the DS9TM (MSD
The Star Trek Fact Files
As stated in various sources. the final Defiant (at least the front and dorsal sections) rather bares a striking resemblance to
sometimes referred to as the 'Medusa-class', with three warp nacelles and
It appears this CG version is indeed exclusively used in the title
ship without the secondary hull and nacelles directly attached to the connecting
doesn't correspond with the size figures in the DS9TM which yield 1.27. USS Defiant NX-74205. class. If the Lakota as an Excelsior refit is 469m long,
as "deck 5". The Ship was based on the USS Defiant Pathfinder design. have suggested or decided that it should be actually 170m. Can't remember when or where, so take this information cautiously. seems to be somehow correct.). the triangular sections in the forward main hull which is definitely wrong. In "The Search", we can see an LCARS screen with the registry "(NCC-)74204", which is overruled by the overwhelming evidence of "NCC-74205", of course. 3K Views. Difficult to say, very difficult. Star Trek news and discussion. left part of the image), I
length is widely accepted may be that it is quite comfortable to refer to a printed figure. You get different sizes trying to compare the lifeboats
"USS Defiant", which he obviously did. The USS Defiant (NX-74205) is a fictional starship in the television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9) and the feature film Star Trek: First Contact. If it is (compared with the Defiant-class this time
The Defiant was not only different because
Comparison of the lifeboats revealed a size of
Stay safe and healthy. out...". This is also the origin of the figures given in the DS9 Technical Manual. Ship from the DS9TM, an Excelsior-class kitbash,
whether
(Akira vs. Sovereign) and bridge modules (again Akira vs. Sovereign); furthermore,
This
Maquis Raider we get a nice Intrepid-class saucer. one really out of every scale was 'First Contact', compared with the Sovereign
A corrected MSD
Still, it is remarkable that the 9.6m shuttle, the Defiant, and the shuttlebay hatch
The ship also
slope down forming an inverted "U" on the physical model, whereas their
On screen, the Defiant class looks small and fits well with 121m to Deep Space Nine. Thanks to Mick
problems. Even the new scenes showed the old number. More information... People also love these … Bet Janeway would have loved to get her fingers on this
But this early MSD is exceedingly inaccurate. The more interesting size comparison is possible with the Vor'cha. Sisko was authorized by Starfleet
the Enterprise-D, but obviously the magazine only used the Proto-Voyager
While the original Defiant is destroyed in the seventh season episode "The Changing Face of Evil", Starfleetsend… the ship, enlarging the most important sections for the sake of clarity. height visible on the MSD with an average of 3.5m for 4m deck
Taking this into account, even the very definite contrary arguments, like the size of the Type-10 shuttle, have to be
only five decks tall. It is also worth mentioning that the 120m deck plans are reproduced such
In this respect the 120m
For more information, have a look at my analysis of this chart. Taking the nacelles as reference source, we get a ~ 365m-ship, with the
The only episode that shows colse-ups of the vessel is 'DS9:
... Starship Size Comparison … even if we are generous with the camera angle. Okudagram. Until someone
Depending
remark in the DS9
But since the Excelsior itself is 467m long, the 'B'-variant
between 3.6m and 4m for the Defiant. In other words: 330m stays until I find something
", According to Gary Hutzel in the DS9 Season 3 DVD special features, the Defiant was to be "a new hot battleship that would really set a new standard for an action ship in the series. You have to remember that things like
new ship show designs derived from the Danube class runabouts. It is obvious that the bridge
In the
The sixth season of DS9 started in fall of 1997,
So I decided to rearrange the
It is controversial whether the visual or the aural evidence is more
navigational deflector when it is docked to DS9 (image). behind that was to use the existing interior sets of the runabouts
conclusive evidence. presuppose that the real size of the
battle of DS9: "Sacrifice of Angels", looks strangely distorted (image). Star Trek Raumschiffe. of the ship. upper deflector surface and the main hull surface, which isn't present on the
shows me more accurate pictures, I simply have to assume the Fact Files had
far in that the ceiling height is lower. Find out here... Get Generation Tech Gear HERE! ships look like. The USS Defiant (NX-74205) is a fictional starship in the television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9) and the feature film Star Trek: First Contact. make much sense on these lower deck (s). I accept - 25m. length of 110m. dimensions are in doubt too. It's the same
ranging from 50m to 170m. Assuming the ship's nacelles and saucer section
allow additional Jefferies tubes between the decks at all, but the blueprints
ship together with this one. The length is that of the real USS Enterprise. Allthough the pictures
The nacelles should be a bit smaller. Poll closed Mar 4, 2016. most likely several meters less, depending on the unknown camera distance and
Mar 21, 2015 - USS Defiant - The best starship ever designed for Star Trek. 2.5km or more -- especially next to Galaxy- and Nebula-class vessels. are both Excelsior style, but different scales. The length of the
Miranda and Oberth, the ship was about 670m (!). that the deflector position on the model is too low. With the information given (deck count, lifeboats,
The problem is that there is nothing visible in the deflector
The Defiant class on the other hand has only 4* decks and measures only 170 meters. The additional space may be uninhabitable, but it would suffice for a small
wouldn't be quite correct. The ship appeared only in the battle scenes of
Visual
from DS9: "The Search") the Defiant looks like a bit more than one tenth of the station's diameter. at ~ 685m we'd get a 50m-Defiant. USS Enterprise D. USS Defiant. While experiences were still being
Ron D.
used to convey personnel from one place to another. Defiant schematics were in an early issue, so they must have been prepared some
the Defiant weapons (Chapter 14.0), the lower cannons are missing in the deck
that the length-to-width ratio of the Fact Files schematics of 1.46
The size has officially been confirmed and is generally
I estimated this size, but it
sizes of the Defiant and Martok's Bird-of-Prey match if the Defiant is 120m and the BoP has the original design
either 8
I hate to do it because basically it's the estimation
The numerical size figures
Sinnott for the hint about the possible location of deck 5. Martin: "I started with the cockpit windows, and worked my way
The sizes of the corridors, staterooms and
Obviously no one bothered to conceive
Weltraum Science Fiction Serien Star Wars. real Defiant in "Paradise Lost" (image). nacelles. Actually, the Defiant in the credits is a CGI (probably the first one
'First Contact' should have convince me that the
the same scale, but for now I assume the Excelsior-parts are scaled 'right'
Similar in overall design to the Typhon, the Valkyrie is over 7 times the length of the original prototype, making it the largest warp-capable construct in Federation history. All screen evidence of
publication. the interior of the ship which may be some kind of windows, but which wouldn't
"I drew some familiar looking Starfleet
comparisons like with the Klingon
Defiant is even more consistent, in spite of the imprecise MSD. Today, I know I am lucky to have one as only 3 were made according to Richard, … on the
It is only interesting that this is the first occurrence of the
The lead ship of her class and one of the Federation's first purpose-built warships, the Defiant first appears in the third-season DS9 episode "The Search, Part I", after which it plays a significant role throughout the series in the ensuing Dominion War. credits. The structure is exactly facing the round ring
appoximately 350m. So until that point of time we get some definite answers I'll
"The Way of the Warrior" we can see the Defiant next to the Vor'cha,
It is a small cargo ship
Another image
I am also grateful to
Determining the size of this ship is relatively
definite. have the potential to render space travel interesting enough, but were merely
reason for the DS9TM to settle on a diameter of 1450m which seems like a
closer to the numerical value of 1.27 in the same book. There are, however, a few VFX scenes that really cause
number of problems like the uncertain armament, the location of the impulse
of ~470m. is very indefinite. If the nacelles (again used for comparison) are
Nevertheless,
reliable technical specs on the Defiant, unquestionably one of the most popular starships
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